Barstool Racer Photos of Mike Beans BSR

[Mike Bean]

Here is a photo of my Barstool Racer I completed on January 5th, 2005.


Build Specs:

Frame: 1 X 1 1/8" Steel
Engine: Tecumseh Power Sport 6.5 HP
Drive: Tork-A-Verter
Wheels: 1 pc Polished
Tires: Knobby Soft Compound
Brakes: Mechanical Disc

[revo]

Mbean,

Can you post some pictures of your bad ride?

Thanks,

Revo

[Mike Bean]

Hi Revo,

What kind of photos are you looking for?

I have attached a photo of me ridng a wheelie down the street. I held the wheelie for about 100 feet.

mbean

[jake14]

could you post some pics of how you mounted you gas tank please

[Mike Bean]

could you post some pics of how you mounted you gas tank please

Hey Jake,

Sorry I did not get back to you sooner. I had the photos in my camera and forgot to download them.

I have atttached 3 photos for you to see how I mounted the gas tank. Nothing special, I just drilled a couple of holes in the back of the stool and bolted it on with some bolts and locking nuts.

-mbean

[elvergon]

very sxy barstool bro, any more pics??? maybe a video?? id love to see a wheelie video :D

[Mike Bean]

very sxy barstool bro, any more pics??? maybe a video?? id love to see a wheelie video :D

Ok, I only have two short video clips of me riding a wheelie on my BSR. Enjoy!

The video riding a wheelie from right to left, I carried it for about two more house after the clip ended and then had to let off the gas.

The video when I am riding towards camera, was when I almost ran over my wife (the camera person), she was a good sport about the whole thing.

-mbean :eek:

[Mike Bean]

My father stopped in from out of town for about a week. While here was here, we got in some ride time on my BSR.

My father made videos of the stunts to I tried to attempt and then left me some nice video editing software in which I was able to trim out these three mpegs for your viewing.

Enjoy!

-mbean

:blob_red:

[Chewbacca]

Your frame rubs on the ground, your frame is badly dimensioned !

The plans which you do sell are also badly calculated?

Chewbacca.

[Mike Bean]

Chewy,

There is nothing wrong with the design of our BSR or plans. We opted to put a consumable skid plate on the back of BSR instead of a wheelie bar.

If you looked at the photos of the bar stool a bit more carefully and not be so quick to judge for poor design, you would already know this.

I would have thought you of all people would have known the ground clearance of BSR's and how they are designed...

Let me ask you this..can your BSR even pull the front wheels off the ground?

-mbean

Your frame rubs on the ground, your frame is badly dimensioned !

The plans which you do sell are also badly calculated?

Chewbacca.

[WarPaint]

Your frame rubs on the ground, your frame is badly dimensioned !

The plans which you do sell are also badly calculated?

Chewbacca.


I built the same BSR as mbean and mine runs great and fast. Mine did the same when my front wheels came up. I just went with a wheelie bar. I look at the pics of your BSR chewbacca and yours looks like it would do the same without a skid plate or bars. Mbeans plans work great and took all the guess work out of building it. Hey chewbacca lets see your plans so we can compare.

[elvergon]

thanks for the vids bro they are gr8! i love the way you can go on one side...does the BSR does it automatically when turning or do you need to lay to the side??

[Mike Bean]

thanks for the vids bro they are gr8! i love the way you can go on one side...does the BSR does it automatically when turning or do you need to lay to the side??

The easiest way to kick it on the side is to start a turn. I do help it a little to get up on the side. If I want, I can also keep it flat on the ground when turning.

-mbean

[Chewbacca]

I will not communicate my plans... if it's so that somebody makes money with... as much as it's me! I'm creating a copyright of my ChewyStoolRacer...

The ChewyStoolRacer is my creation, not a copy of existing barstool.

The pictures are the first ChewyStoolRacer for test, after i will built a lot of ChewyStoolRacer with honda GX200 motor for sell.

Barstool not existing in europe, i will creating my ChewyStoolRacer factory.

Chewbacca.

[Mike Bean]

Chewy,

How large of a factory do you think you will need to build bsr's? Are you going to build them on an assembly line like Ford cars? Or just make each one by hand?

-mbean

I will not communicate my plans... if it's so that somebody makes money with... as much as it's me! I'm creating a copyright of my ChewyStoolRacer...

The ChewyStoolRacer is my creation, not a copy of existing barstool.

The pictures are the first ChewyStoolRacer for test, after i will built a lot of ChewyStoolRacer with honda GX200 motor for sell.

Barstool not existing in europe, i will creating my ChewyStoolRacer factory.

Chewbacca.

[Chewbacca]

Just make each one by hand... we are three people.

[RUBICON]

I designed my own frame...my rear crossmember was a little too far to the rear...only slighty...and I designed wheelie bars to work....but as I found...when The front wheels rose I felt 2 bumps...the first was the short trailer hitch receiver ( for pilling a small trailer ) and the second was the wheels hitting....I actually have a piece of titanium that I was fitting to the frame for sparks....but I cut the hitch off and lowered the axle to give me the clearance....I see all kinds of wheelie stuff...all are interesting...even the single ones....and the ones that are high so you don't have to have Power to "Get-it-Up"...torque it up lean way back and balance it on the wheel...ride forever....or....get one with a power shift @ 30mph from 3rd to 4th....its ALL GOOD....for some its satisfying to solve design problems...trial and error....some like a plan with exact dimensions that work...kinda like "paint by numbers ".....Its ALL GOOD.....but one observation.....look at howmany ther are pics of.....how many look alike?....whats different?...and why?....How many Harleys look alike?...nuf said?

[RUBICON]

Is there such a thing as Copyright law in Europe?....skin that one and I'll bring you another one!

[WarPaint]

I will not communicate my plans... if it's so that somebody makes money with... as much as it's me! I'm creating a copyright of my ChewyStoolRacer...

The ChewyStoolRacer is my creation, not a copy of existing barstool.

The pictures are the first ChewyStoolRacer for test, after i will built a lot of ChewyStoolRacer with honda GX200 motor for sell.

Barstool not existing in europe, i will creating my ChewyStoolRacer factory.

Chewbacca.


Thats great ! Everyone should have a dream in life. And if it comes true GREAT! But if it doesn't. I would change the name Chewy Stool Racer. Sounds like someone flushing a Baby Ruth. I have seen a lot of BSR's on this forum and just about everyone as added there own custom touches to them.
So i guess we could all copyright our BSR's. The thing is you came on here and in so many words said not to buy mbeans Plans on building a BSR. That is just not cool ! I don't care where you are from. How great can your BSR be if you got to trash another to make yours look good. Mine runs great and fast. I have seen mbeans run and others on here. lets see some vid of yours. DONE!

[Mike Bean]

Well said Warpaint!

So Chewster, what is it? You talk a lot of smack and trash, but we have yet to see any videos of your chewy stool.

-mbean

Thats great ! Everyone should have a dream in life. And if it comes true GREAT! But if it doesn't. I would change the name Chewy Stool Racer. Sounds like someone flushing a Baby Ruth. I have seen a lot of BSR's on this forum and just about everyone as added there own custom touches to them.
So i guess we could all copyright our BSR's. The thing is you came on here and in so many words said not to buy mbeans Plans on building a BSR. That is just not cool ! I don't care where you are from. How great can your BSR be if you got to trash another to make yours look good. Mine runs great and fast. I have seen mbeans run and others on here. lets see some vid of yours. DONE!

[RUBICON]

I have been fortunate to see lots of this world...all around it...meet lots of fine and remarkable people....and some whose purpose in life is to ( by contrast ) help us understand what "nice" really means......LIFE IS AN ADVENTURE...ENJOY THE RIDE.....even in France

[elvergon]

i would also like to see the the videos of the "chewyracer" i havent seen it working yet...

[FatDog]

to be fair to the ChewDude, ... it DOES look like mbean's rear frame is dragging on the ground while riding that wheelie. i'm not saying that it does, but it certainly looks like it does in that first video of him riding it down the street.. That would imply that the frame was built a little off. Video is often misleading.

But the frenchman Chewster certainly don't have a lot of manners in how he phrased it. I'll betcha that his statement lost a little something in the translation from his native language to our English. Either that are the ChewDude is a grumpy dude.

But i do have a wonder in my head though, and Frenchie touched base on it as well. Mbean, your plans look extremely similar to that other guy on the net who sells his plans as well. Whats up buddy??

Now you may ask, alright bigmouth FatDog, show us YOUR plans. Well i just welded my frame over the weekend and i can finally start posting my project. But it is ALL going to be from my head, no plans, which as we all know means there will be a handful of mess-ups, NO BIG DEAL. I'm good at it though, i hope.

And Chewie, don't quit your day job yet.

[Mike Bean]

FatDog,

Once you get your BSR running you will also notice when pulling a wheelie your frame will also hit the ground if you have not wheelie bar etc.

In the video my frame looks like it is hitting the ground, but instead of putting a wheelie bar I put a consumable skid plate not thinking that I was going to like riding wheelies so much.

There is no design flaw in the frame. If I put a wheelie bar on the back I am sure chewster would have something to say about that also. It is just my design and I am going to be adding a wheelie bar in future builds.

As for my plans, honestly...how many different ways can you design a BSR? I am not talking about personal customizations, but overall frame look. There are lots of BSR's that have a simular look out there, but it is the builders custom work which sets it aside from the others.

-Mike

[FatDog]

" .... you will also notice when pulling a wheelie your frame will also hit the ground if you have not wheelie bar etc. ..."

Well I have a question, and i don't mean to hikack this thread, but i have my base frame welded but was thinking i should move my rear axle bearing hangers back to almost the end of the frame just so that the frame just cannot hit the ground. Obviously this makes it possible to loop the BSR which is a very bad thing since i value the shape of my head. But at least the frame won't ride the ground. What are your thoughts on that?

And i am drwing up a quick plan for a wheelie bar, BUT the most obvious place to mount it to is those rear bearing hangers and that is sure putting a lot of continuous torque on them - while taking off in a hurry, and then while they are also being slammed when the wheelie bar is being hit. My welding had sure better be darn good 'cause i am sure putting a lot of forward and backward torques on those few spotwelds. I might weld a seperate wheelie bar mount to the rear of the frame instead of usine those bearing hangers.

[CJM]

...."base frame welded but was thinking i should move my rear axle bearing hangers back to almost the end of the frame just so that the frame just cannot hit the ground"....


Dont forget, there is going to be a chain sproket in there and a brake....unless you mount it outside of the frame. Maybe if you use really large rear tires you could keep the frame from hitting but if you use gocart stuff like most do it will hit. OR, dont tie the frame together in the back.

[WarPaint]

Hey Fatdog , Please post pics of your BSR . I made one from plans like mbean has. But once i got the frame done I started changing everything. You are so right about making ideas from your head work. But that is what makes it a custom ride. I didn't like the steering so i changed it. One thing i like about the extra inches on the back end is when i pull my wagon and make a turn. the extra inches keeps the tongue from hitting my wheels if i turn to sharp. And in other cases it makes a great foot rest for giving someone a ride. My BSR is down for paint but I hope to have it done soon.

[Mike Bean]

FatDog,

CJM had some good thoughts about the rear sprocket and brake disc. Even if you mounted them on the outside, my personal opinion is that if you move the rear wheels way back then it would make the bar stool racer look out of proportion because you rear wheels would be so far back on the fame.

When I built my bsr, I inset my rear wheels 1/2" more that the width of the tires to keep it all tucked in. But that is just my .02 cents.

-Mike


Well I have a question, and i don't mean to hikack this thread, but i have my base frame welded but was thinking i should move my rear axle bearing hangers back to almost the end of the frame just so that the frame just cannot hit the ground. Obviously this makes it possible to loop the BSR which is a very bad thing since i value the shape of my head. But at least the frame won't ride the ground. What are your thoughts on that?

[FatDog]

CJM and Mike
you are right, got to have that rear axle forward enough to protect the sprocket, ... need a good wheelie bar ..
lets see if i can get some of my initial fab pics up here
i am using 1x1"x1/8" square tube
6.5 Tecumseh PowerSp
6" douglas wheels
large slicks
hydraulic brake
cylinder gas tank
yellow bar stool

I have welded the frame except for the two cross members, they are just sitting there waiting for me to layout the axle and engine plate for spacing.
Mike

[Woodchuckscustoms.com]

comment on this post September 11th, 2005, 01:15 PMChewbacca Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts:
Hooo !
Your frame rubs on the ground, your frame is badly dimensioned !The plans which you do sell are also badly calculated? Chewbacca



Hey Mike. I checked out the pics and video of your creation and :sleeping: It looks good if chewie didn't want the back to keep you from flipping over by dragging you could have located to axle mounts back a bit and use a wheelie bar, But metal fabrication is an art. Only some of us have the ability to see this. :cheers:

[Mike Bean]

Woodchuck,

Most frames are going to hit the ground if you can pull a wheelie because of the low ground clearence. In our new design, I have posted pics of the wheelie bar I put on the back.

Since Chewy has not finished his BSR, I do not think he fully understands frame design. Once he is finished he too (if his engine has enough power) will hit the frame on the ground when riding a wheelie.

In our last design, I opted a skid plate instead of the wheelie bar. Most likely you are not going to be able to locate the rear axle mounts back far enough to prevent the frame from hitting due to sprocket and brake disc clearences, unless they are mounted outside the frame. And I would prefer if I did not have a wheelie bar to have my frame hit to save me from going over.

Mike
:blob_red:

[FatDog]

i think that the wheelie bar is part of the 'cool' factor, that is why i personally think that the 'typical' ladder framed triangulated wheelie bar is part of the 'WOW' factor as versus just welding a shop wheel a couple inches behind the rear frame. My wheelie bar is 15" long and ends about an inch above the horizontal plane of the frame. This allows for wheelies and yet keeps me reasonably close to the ground in case i join a professional drag racing league. (yea right)

My only concern about having a wheelie bar 'so long' is that it has to be strong enough to be slammed against the ground while holding the momentum, BUT it has to be somewhat light. (again in case i join a professional drag racing league) (yea right)
So i ended up using 1/2" round stock. In theory i don't want that stock to crumble underneath the torque that this fire-breather is going to produce, thereby flipping me backwards onto my head. The 'ladder' part of my ladder wheelie bar should prevent this.

[Mike Bean]

So i ended up using 1/2" round stock. In theory i don't want that stock to crumble underneath the torque that this fire-breather is going to produce, thereby flipping me backwards onto my head. The 'ladder' part of my ladder wheelie bar should prevent this.

FatDog,

Can you upload a photo of you wheelie bar for us?

Thanks,
Mike Bean

[Woodchuckscustoms.com]

Hi hear is a couple of pics of the wheelie bars I use. The yellow one is 11" long and is more of a saftey bar then a wheelie bar,as soon as the front end pops up it get's nocked right down, no fun. The other wheelie bar pic the one whith out the wheel installed are the fun ones :blob_red: You can pull the front end up and ride a wheelie forever :cheers:

[sniffles]

hey woodchuck,how do you make your barstool seat and attach it?. i understand how you make the actual barstool but how do you attach the seat to it? thanks.... oh and is that wheelie bar without the wheels on it basically a skid plate?

[moto1fast]

Hello all!! If you have any type of mechanical sense you could figure out that a Low to the ground frame that tidder todders on back wheels will and can only go so far before the other end drags the ground! That does not mean it is a poor design or bad plans Chewy!! It simply means you dont understand the workings of a bsr. Use wheelie bars or skid plate and LIVE Dude!! :rofl:

[sniffles]

hey mike i really like your tires...what type are they and where did you get them?

[Woodchuckscustoms.com]

hey woodchuck,how do you make your barstool seat and attach it?. i understand how you make the actual barstool but how do you attach the seat to it? thanks.... oh and is that wheelie bar without the wheels on it basically a skid plate?

I use toggle bolts to attach seat and I put mini wheels from a lawn mower deck on the wheelie bar for a nice smooth ride :lush:

[Mike Bean]

hey mike i really like your tires...what type are they and where did you get them?

Sniffles,

Read the thread link below and it will tell you all about my tires..

http://barflyracers.com/showthread.php?t=18

Mike

[Guy]

I really like the concept of "consumable skid plate", very popular in the States with the lowriders and whatnot. Discovery Channel has promoted jesse james quite well in the las year or so.
But, I am curious as to how they do it across the pond, so to speak, and would like to hear more from the stool-chewer.
Me myself, I like the dangerous look with with the safety of not tipping backwards, but shooting sparks while you do it is, IMHO, hot right now...
This is my personal opinion stool-chewer, and does not reflect the general buying public.

[1100kaw]

Mike
I like yor stool designs, they look very solid. Especially the handle bar structure and base, I've only had mine done for a short time and I am already going to change mine. I was trying to keep my base short so I could remove the bars and stool for easy hauling in the trunk or back or my HotRod. I am going to go back and re-fab the steering shaft out of 3/4 Chrome moly thick wall.
This is exactly why its not painted yet, I'm note done with the R&D


How do you like the converter? Does it give plenty of bottom end for wheelies, or do you really have to pull on it to get it up?
I have a yard Kart with one, seems real smooth, but wont really take off hard unless you you powerbrake it, then side step the brake and it tears the tires off. Does it act the same on your stool?
DD

[Mike Bean]

1100KAW,

Thanks for the compliments!

When I built the Classic Cruiser is was all about a strong design and simple to build. I added the ability to remove the steering column for transporting if needed.

The tork-a-verter worksgreat. Very smooth and easy to pull the front end up. I built the barstool for speed (40 tooth rear sprocket) so I have not tried tearing up the lawn or spinning the tires on it. I mainly wanted a pit cruiser for when I go to the drags and I need to get around.

I have been putting some thought into my next venture with a snowmobile engine and a snowmobile tork-a-verter (which I already have). Now that will be insane.

When I was a kid I put a single cylinder snowmobile engine and tork-a-verter on a go kart and all that thing did was spin tires and make dough nuts.

Maybe toward the end of this year I will start fabbing it together...

Mike Bean

[Chevy2ride]

Good 1 mbean. Your design is very simple but precise. When I'm done with mine I'll show u some willies. Keep up the awsome work. Your talents are limitless. No brn nosin but it takes guys like u & some of the others to inspire people to become true BSR's. More Pic's please...........................

[Nitefall]

I Bought A Set And Once I Pulled My Head Out Of My A$$, I Found Them To Be Very Good...
M.bean, Be Nice Here We Don't Need Any Bar Brawls!!! Ha Ha
I Am Awaiting To See What He Rides.
Nite Fall

[scooterpimp]

I'm On My Second BSR Using The Classic Cruiser Plans! My First BSR Handled Great! Now Making A Theme Bsr With Same Plans!!! It Seems Easier To Talk Trash Than To Keep Your Mouth Shut For Some Clowns!:cussing: Peace , Da Pimp.