help me please

[mr.pecksfavoritestudent]

im wanting to design a barstool racer on solid works for one of my classes...if anyone has a layout i could follow it would be very helpful.

[Woodchuckscustoms.com]

Hi check this pic out it's your basic bear bones B.S.R Frame. I sell these on my web site in kit form. for 100.00 :cheers:

[FatDog]

FavoriteStudent
my recommendation to you, as a workerbee, a designer and a mathematician, is to not let your mind, your creative process, set rigidly into following an established retail design that you have looked at on the internet.
This is not how you remain a FavoriteStudent.

initially I also would look at a number of pictures and videos, yes videos, to get a feel for what the requirements are, what the dynamics of movement is.
Then sit back and DESIGN a bsr. they aren't that hard. Do not just copy one even if you do add some little embelishments. A little kid on a farm could do that with daddies ol' stick welder.

Remember the ol' RatFink crazy design days of automotive wildness?? well get on it buddy and cook up something masterful. On your own. We will give you help. I have a CADD department that works for me. There is room for going a little wild here .....

Ready?

FatDog
Mathematics - UCSD

[hellbentrodder]

amen fatdog.

[Mike Bean]

So FatDog,

Are you saying that frame design is a copy from another? It looks similar, but a lot of bsr's has a similar look.

Where have you seen that design before?

Can you give more details...?

Mike

[RUBICON]

I do remember the RatFink crazy design days of automotive wildness...The Wagon Miester was an inspirational creation on the same scale as BSR's....and if I remember right the color that Ed ( Big Daddy...I met him twice ...rest his spirit) finally was satisfied to allow illustrations to print RATFINK...it was Pantone 265...an unmistakable shade of green....In agreement with what was said about design...look at the fundamentals that it must have to "FUNCTION" and then let "FORM" follow that...the dimensions are established on the components used as well as the overall look. It is true that almost all ( not all ) stools look "similar" ....or they would not be recognized in the family...it is where the creativity takes over and unusual FORMS are designed to accomplish a similar FUNCTION..I guess you could compare the exercize to copying someones thesis with a few revisions to disguise it...or reading a few books...doing some research...developing some independent thoughts..and then writing them down.....the fun is in the design and execuition.....enjoy!

[FatDog]

" ..... Are you saying that frame design is a copy from another? It looks simular, but a lot of bsr's has a simular look.
Where have you seen that design before?
Can you give more details...? ....."

Mike,
I'm not quite sure what frame you were talking about there, ...
but this is what i meant ......
FavoriteStudent comes here, as i certainly would have done as a student, but the only difference is he asked for a
"..layout that he could FOLLOW.."
ahhh ....... thats fair enough i guess, in that he is in a SOLIDS Cad classs and not a DESIGN class. I was just trying to coax him a little into the design side of life ... don't just follow a pattern, go ahead and have a little fun. Afterall these BSR's have a lot of leeway in how they are made, so go ahead and use some leeway, horse around a little bit. We're not exactly Foose with an aftermarket Mustang to produce.

But when i see BSR's that match others, others that have commercially available plans, and they match each others front bumper, footrests, and several other details ....... and then I have seen other designs here where i thought to myself - Now there is a real piece of work by a guy by himself in the garage welding and thinking as he goes! Good Job!!!!
... well all I was saying to Favorite was, mimic Jessie's creative flair as much as you mimic a set of existing plans. It isn't as easy to be different as it is to be identical, but in a class his teacher might go along with it.

Again i grant you, Favorite is in a 'SOLIDS' class not a 'design class. Maybe my sentiments here come one year to early for him. I have had a CAD department since the first year AutoCad came out, and before that we layed out PC design with red and blue tape. They don't teach red and blue tape layouts anymore. Thank God.

And Rubicon, those were some great words about Ed. That guy was supreme in creativity. I am going to now have to look up Pantone 265 and stare at it for a bit and see if I can get a little Fink-Flashback.
We used to 'mimic' his individual flair all day long in class.
Rest his soul - but i spent a couple hours in detention because of him.

[Mike Bean]

Hey FatDog,

I was not trying to bust on you about what you had wrote. I thought maybe the frame Wood Chuck was selling and had posted photos of was similar to another you had seen and I was curious as to where.

I like to check out other peoples designs, especially the square tubing type, because I think it takes a bit more creativity because you don’t have the ease of bending like round tubing.

No biggie, I did not mean to come off upset or anything like that, just curious about the design.

Thanks for the reply,
Mike

[WarPaint]

Hey if you like it and you did your best on it. Then who gives a dam what others think. You know if you look at bikes they all look great. But they all started with a frame that looks like another. But it is the paint and little details that set it apart. We are all artist here in some way or another. We all have ideas. And I think we all come here to share and see those ideas. i like to start everyday telling myself that I don't know shit. And if i learn something new. Then it has been a good day. So what if my frame looks like another. I made it and that was a big deal for me. I took shop in school and the projects we did look just like the other guys. But that didn't make me feel like i was copying someone. Now if you have that great ability to see and make something wild and great. Then share it , but don't make us that can't do that feel less about what we have done.
Thank you

[Mike Bean]

Well said Warpaint!

The same goes for automobiles. Look at all the SUV's out there. They all have similarities, but it is the individual design be each car company that sets them apart.

Mike

[stool-sample]

Im not ragging on the sq, tube guys, but I prefer the round only for 2 reasons. Less cuts and less smoothing of weld seams. They do have the same function. Hold a motor, stool, and beer what else is there to say. Glenn

[chip]

you don't have to notch square tubing. That might not be an issue for you but I'm sure it is for some people. But I think I'm going with rectangular tubing that would be more unique than round.

[sniffles]

notching the tube is not a problem. just buy a notcher for 40 bucks and a hole saw and your set. i did it and im 12. not rocket science. but either tubing looks good. a barstool racer is a barstool racer.

[chip]

I know its not rocket science I'm studying rocket science, but it is economics. I'll explain it I have no money to buy extras like that.

[Terry Skinner]

I know its not rocket science I'm studying rocket science, but it is economics. I'll explain it I have no money to buy extras like that.

Don't let money slow you down. The first rollbar I built was for my '48 Ford and it was made from old driveshafts from a wrecking yard. The copes and angles were cut with a hacksaw and fitted with a file. I just traded my time for the money I didn't have. Later on you will have the money for cool tools, right now all you need is time and patience. HTH..........Terry

[scooterpimp]

Hey if you like it and you did your best on it. Then who gives a dam what others think. You know if you look at bikes they all look great. But they all started with a frame that looks like another. But it is the paint and little details that set it apart. We are all artist here in some way or another. We all have ideas. And I think we all come here to share and see those ideas. i like to start everyday telling myself that I don't know shit. And if i learn something new. Then it has been a good day. So what if my frame looks like another. I made it and that was a big deal for me. I took shop in school and the projects we did look just like the other guys. But that didn't make me feel like i was copying someone. Now if you have that great ability to see and make something wild and great. Then share it , but don't make us that can't do that feel less about what we have done.
Thank you You Tell Em! Its All About Doing Your Own Thing!!! Peace! Da Pimp!:thumb:

[wayfat]

hey student,
I agree with these other guys, that it's great to come up with your own design. But, if you are like me, you need something to get you started. The measurements to start with was the hardest for me. If you look at the home page for this site, under "barstool building help", "frame design", there is a post called "dimensions" from RRE. I posted the measurements for my racer there. I have built 3 now and haven't changed the design, because it works. Obviously, you can use square tube and use the same measurements. I attached a picture of just my frame.
Best of luck on the build, and keep us posted.
Wayfat